Hi Keith,

I am pretty sure you know that this is a complete waste of time right? Since Gang Stalking in my opinion was a term that they made up to hide and conceal their Cointelpro and Stasi like tactics they won't have any information on Gang Stalking. If people write letters they have to phrase it another way or they will get nothing.

They would be better doing what the times did, and requesting each state cough up information on using anti-terror laws to spy on individuals. Or using some of the requests that the ACLU has used.

We can ask for records or surveillance on private citizens, how many requests were made, but if we term it Gang Stalking we will get nothing. I think it would be good to have a lawyer or someone who is very familiar with requesting FOIA requests put together a form. Also I think asking Donald Friedman or Jesus Medoza for the wording they used to get their informtion would be a good start. Sometimes it's the wording you use. If you use the wrong wording, you will get zero results.


Also depending on how the requests are made, they could use this against the targeted individuals. Eg. Asking about Gang Stalking, could be used to further paint the target as crazy or emotionally unstable. Since it's their term originally, in my opinion.


The term Gang Stalking is fully popular. So is Targeted Individuals. However Google is suppressing the algorithm. I have written about this before. Which tells me that the term is doing a good job, or they would not waste the time suppressing it. Check other engines and you may see what I mean.

Hey I am the person who recently asked people to send out FOIA requests, this is just not the right way to do it, that's my opinion and I am sticking to it. However since I am not a lawyer exactly, I will be more than happy to get opinion from such sources, as well as people who have made successful headway.



Hi Keith,

Covert Human Intelligence Sources are there terms and so I think this would be the proper language to use, however why don't we get a few different opinions. I suggest the ACLU, plus other civil rights groups, get feedback there, then also legal feedback, then also feedback from targets that have had success. That three different sources of feedback. I will also use various lawyers.

If this is the same lawyer that told you to send out that same letter you have posted here, I would be a little worried. I think people should consult there own lawyer, try to get a free session, as some do offer this.



Actually the book Spying101 made some good suggestions about getting your FOIA request. That book is about how the Canadian Government Spied on it's citizens in universities and Colleges, but they gave an example on their site about the proper ways to get FOIA requests.

So that's why I don't see the letter as being helpful. I was going to try to see if I can find the suggestions they made. However because it was requesting information about spying on campuses, I don't know if parts of it can be applied, but that person knew what he was doing, because he had number and proper information, which got results.

Yeah you can be suspicious of my dismissive attitude, but then I am still worried about that letter. My concern is with and for the targets and making sure no more hurt comes to them as best as possible. Again though, people have to do what they think is best.












Keith, I recently suggested that people get their FOIA records, however doing it this way is not going to be a good thing for them. That's not disinformation. It's good to request your FOIA, how you go about it, makes all the difference. Don't take my word for it, or his, go to a third party that you trust, who are familiar with FOIA.

I will do that. I would also like to see how you requested your FOIA, because I don't think you used the above letter. I guessing no.

The other terms are not recognised terms, organized stalking, mult-stalking, cause stalking, if you had thrown in Cointelpro maybe, even then it's an old program. Yeah there careers would be over, right. I am going to disagree, because that's not what is currently happen. Again I suggested that people check with legit sources that are familiar with FOIA requests. I also suggested they check with targets who have had success getting their records. I also suggested they see what wording sources like the ACLU use, or how the Times which did a bunch of articles about ordinary people being placed under surveillance, how they placed their request.

Yeah I am really worried about the letter. This is not going to be helpful. My opinion is the same, targets need to send out FOIA requests, which is what I have been saying. How they do it, and in a legitimate fashion is as equally important or they will get screwed. Period.

Well I don't know about my group, but recently Gang Stalking World was mentioned in the New York Times, so we are getting the term normalised in society. I believe in doing this at a ground level, which has been working. Recently I suggested people take it up a notch with the FOIA request, as anyone coming to my website will see. I however suggest that they do so in a credible fashion, for their own sake as well as the causes sake.

I am all for getting together, but I am against much of the garbage that is out there, and unless I can find effective ways to filter that garbage, then there is no point. Anyways, my warning stands. Get the FOIA requests out, but do it in a credible fashion. I do not believe this letter in it's present format will provide this function. People have to do what they feel is best.

When making a FOIA request, we have to be careful that we use the correct wording and information. Failure to do so can create poor results. Also we want to make sure to leave out outlandish wording. There are many sources online that can assist you with making a clear and concise request.

http://www.rcfp.org/foiact/index.html
http://www.rcfp.org/foiact/guide_h.html


http://epic.org/privacy/fusion/VA_FOIA021208.pdf

This is a copy of the Freedom of Information Act request from Epic a human rights organisation concerned with privacy and surveillance issues.

Various Online Resources

A Citizen’s Guide On Using The Freedom Of Information Act An excellent overview of how to employ FOIPA to make requests to federal agencies; quite extensive in it’s content. http://www.tncrimlaw.com/foia_indx.html

The First Amendment Center A good place to start for a complete overview of how to employ the FOIPA process to make your own requests to federal agencies http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/Press/information/topic.aspx?topic=how_to_FO IA#request request

Justice Department Guide to the Freedom of Information Act Justice Department page on FOIPA including much good information and specifics on applicable exemptions. http://www.usdoj.gov/oip/foi-act.htm

FBI’s FOIPA Information Page Contains some helpful information regarding requests made to the FBI; (as a rule of thumb, never fax your FOIPA request, even if they say you can) http://foia.fbi.gov/

12. Any FBI records indicating coercion or bribery being used by gang stalking groups to force or bribe neighbors, local businesses and others in the community of a targeted individual to participate in the gang stalking methods/activities directed against one or more targeted individuals within a community.



13. Any FBI records indicating the motives behind the stalking of individuals such as personal vendettas, family vendettas, whistle-blowing (corporate and government), employment disputes/lawsuits, political views, sexual orientation, interracial relationships, gay and lesbian relationships, HIV status, business disputes, marital disputes, monetary disputes, and any other similar motives for gang stalking.



14. Any FBI records indicating the funding of gang stalking groups including, but not limited to, narcotic and other racketeering funds, corporate funds, local business funds and government money (e.g. paid informants), monetary crimes by the gang stalkers, or, payment for surveillance or intelligence collected by gang stalking groups paid for by racketeers, narco-traffickers and/or other criminal associations made to the gang stalkers for services gang stalking groups rendered.



15. Any FBI records indicating the number of informants (paid and unpaid) under the control of federal, state and local law enforcement within these gang stalking groups. For instance, during the Civil Rights Era the FBI now acknowledges 20% of KKK members were informants.



16. Any FBI records relating to a List on which gang stalking victims are placed which initiates and/or maintains the gang stalking activities against them.



17. Any FBI records indicating a hierarchy within the gang stalking groups including a chain of command.

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Dear Administrator:

This is an appeal under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. § 552.

On (date) I made a FOIA request to your agency for (brief description of what you requested). On (date), your agency denied my request on the grounds that (state the reasons given by the agency). Copies of my request and the denial are enclosed.

(When the agency delays It has been (state number) business days since my request was received by your agency. This period clearly exceeds the 20 days provided by the statute, thus I deem my request denied. A copy of my correspondence and the postal form showing receipt by your office are enclosed.

The information which I have requested is clearly releasable under FOIA and, in my opinion, may not validly be protected by any of the Act’s exemptions.

(Here, insert legal and "public policy" arguments in favor of disclosure, if you wish. You are not required to make legal or policy arguments to support your appeal; if you simply state “I appeal” the agency will review the documents and the justifications given in the original denial. However, it is usually a good idea to try to persuade them to release the information. See the Federal Open Government Guide (www.rcfp.org/fogg/index.php?i=ex1) for further information on any of the specific exemptions cited by the agency in their denial of your original request. The descriptions contained there should suggest arguments you can make to counter the agency’s assertions.)

I trust that upon re-consideration, you will reverse the decision denying me access to this material and grant my original request. However, if you deny this appeal, I intend to initiate a lawsuit to compel disclosure. (Don’t include this as an idle threat. But if you do intend to follow up with a lawsuit, say so. Often the agency will more closely consider its position when it knows it will have to defend it in court soon.)

As I have made this request in the capacity of a journalist (or author, or scholar) and this information is of timely value, I would appreciate your expediting the consideration of my appeal in every way possible. In any case, I will expect to receive your decision within 20 business days, as required by the statute.

Thank you for your assistance.

Very truly yours,

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