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Apr 24th, 2009, 9:05am
 
This was a response I gave to some questions. The point being this is systemic and so it must be addressed as such.
 
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Janet could be telling the truth. I have heard reports saying both. That the middle east is no more safe than anywhere else, and I have heard other reports saying a few places might be safe. <br /><br />

I have no way of checking, but the Mason Myth. Sure some Masons are a part of this, but so are some Christians, and Scientologist, White Supremacists, Black Supremacists, Mom's, Pop's, store keepers, average citizens. <br /><br />

To say it's all Masons is just misleading. I know people, none Masons who have been asked, or forced to take part in being Informants and go along with the monitoring of me, so it's not all Masons. <br /><br />

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I agree with what you said about the blacklisting, family and friends. <br /><br />

Hi a,

What if the system is what is the problem? Then what do we do. Have you read about Senator DeCamp's experiences with trying to get a child pedophile ring exposed? The ring went all the way to the top, and included a lot of rich and powerful people. The victims ended up losing, the story was covered up, thus the title of the book the Franklin Cover Up's. It's not just covering up child pedophile rings, this system is into everything, and that is why this does not get exposed. <br /><br />

The few times things do get exposed, like Gary Webb and his series the dark aliance, he wound up with a bullet, (so called suicide), the lawyer who tried to sue the government went on the run to Canada, and then had to flee to Isreal. <br /><br />

I should also add that one of the whistle-blowers for the Franklin Cover Up's is now a Targeted Individual. <br /><br />

Even if these things do get exposed, they are quickly covered up again, time and time again. Then you realise this is how the society is, and this is how the sytem works. Till you realise this, there is no fixing it, and the old solutions are not the answer, not in my opinion, based on what I have seen. <br /><br />

These people in ever aspect of society play the same games over and over again, and society either does not catch on or does not wish to catch on, and so the good suffer. Priest have been exposed for being perverts, do you think that system stopped? It did not, this is still happening. Society will do the outraged thing, shocked, and then it will be back to business as usual, even if this does get exposed, we have a much more critical core problem happening and that can not be fixed with the traditional solutions.

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Reply #1 - Apr 24th, 2009, 9:07am
 
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205712268
 
Be it pedophile rings, the CIA drug running, it will not change till people realise this is systemic and address the issues from that stand point. Beyond that you will just go around in circles and this will never change.  
 
Even when things do get exposed, please read about what happens.  
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1230244889
 
I am not trying to discourage anyone, but you have to wake up, just a little bit.  
 
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205720719
 
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205712198
 
Ours is not the first big scandle to be exposed, or uncovered. If you do the follow up you will see that Gary Webb who exposed the CIA selling drugs in minority communities was fasly discredited by his own media counterparts. He was moved to some crappy job he hated, he ended up quitting, his life from there took a downturn, but he was still speaking, he published a book, about the CIA selling drugs, and he was rumored to be starting another book. However he ended up with a bullet to the brain, an apparnent suicide, many will attest that he was not suicidal, others will tell you differently.  
 
There were protests in the streets about this, the lawyer Anita Bell who took the case of these people, ended up being targeted, she almost died, and fled to Canada, she lost her refuge claim, fled with her family to Isreal, and I don't know what happened to her.  
 
http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Social/article.php?sid=69
 
Most traces of her and references of her that I could, find I have not been able to.  
 
Next senator DeCamp, he tried to help uncover the fact that young boys were being used for sex, and to help transport drugs. The victims were bulled, jailed, suicides, etc. The case was delayed, and finally like one low level drug dealer was convicted. The rest, the accued, all powerful, all rich, they advanced in their careers. The victims suffered, and the perpatrators advanced, and the lesson is, this was all done to protect the system. But then Senator Decamp asks himself, when do we know if the system itself has become corrupt? I think the true targets in the Targeted Individual community should know this answer, and if you don't, you should look into it.  
 
Also one of the whistle blowers for this, she is a targeted individual, her video is on youtube. Here is here website. http://www.oneagleswingsfearnoevil.com/
So you see all the people who tried to expose this, and the victims, one set of circumstances, and the rest another.  
 
Then we have priest who are molesting kids, a lot of those early victims who exposed it did not fair well, others who tried to expose things along this line, also did not fair well.  
http://www.projecttruth2.com/
http://www.theinquiry.ca/
 
The system at all levels protects the corrupted, those commiting the crimes, and the good suffer, and we often suffer, because those who could help sit back and do nothing. It's always the same, and unless it's addressed at this level nothing will changes, and even if tomorrow someone took it upon themselves to do a real story about this, about what is happening, we would probably, get the same sick results.  
 
This has to be fought at the correct level, and the systemic issues must be addresed.  
 
“We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” (Ephesians 6:12)
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Here is a more refined version of the above post. Slightly longer.
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2009, 10:40am
 
How many have seen these pictures?
 
http://www.dailyillusions.com/2007/11/08/young-woman-vs-old-woman-double-image-i llusion/
 
 
Do you see an old woman or do you see a young woman? Do you see either of the two? Do you see anything?
 
Everyone sees something different. Some see the whole picture, some see one or the other, some see nothing, and no matter what you do, it will continue to be that way. What you have to understand is that the world and our targeting is no different.  
 
There are some legit people who refuse to see anything at all. Then there are those who choose to see nothing but mental illness. There are others who know something is going on but choose to see vigilantes or organised stalkers. Then there are others who see Gang Stalking and that the government is doing it, but think we can get it fixed with legislation. then there are those who see the whole picture, the whole corrupted beauty of it all, and realise this is a systemic problem and so systemic solutions must be found.  
 
This system did not happen over night, they spent generations getting the world to be the way it is. This system has shown that it consistently works to keep people in line, time and time again. I have pointed this out before, but let me point this out again. We are up against a system, and if you don't get this, then you can not realistically fix what is wrong.  
 
http://www.targetedindividuals.com/System.html
 
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Many people grow up in society never realising that the world is not really controlled by just governments but it's also controlled by a system. Some people might consider this system similar to another government that operates outside of the mainstream government. The system is more structured and less democratic than many of us realise, or are willing to believe.

The system that really exists and that controls society is really made up of the powerful and elite, Corporations and Governments. The powerful elite, do not care who is in government, because they will always have the primary say with how things go, and what the final outcome is. The same has become true for corporations, and powerful interests. Then there is the will of the government, the body that appears to be elected by the people, but who is there to really serve the will of these powerful interests.

To keep the system in place and running smoothly, there are appendages that are set in place to teach the population how to act, think, behave, and yes how to conform to the system. The system wants people to come up thinking that they are completely free and can act, think, and feel however they choose to. This is true to an extent, as long as your interest do not run too contrary to what the system has in mind. Once your interest start to run contrary, or you do something to step out of what the system considers acceptable boundaries, that is when you enter the Targeted Individual zone.

 
Be it pedophile rings, the CIA drug running, it will not change till people realise this is systemic and address the issues from that stand point. Beyond that you will just go around in circles and this will never change.  
 
Even when things do get exposed, please read about what happens.  
 
Ours is not the first big scandal to be exposed, or uncovered. If you do the follow up you will see that Gary Webb who exposed the CIA selling drugs in minority communities was falsely discredited by his own media counterparts. He was moved to some crappy job he hated, he ended up quitting. His life from there took a downturn, but he was still speaking out, he published a book about the CIA selling drugs, and he was rumored to be starting another book. However he ended up with a bullet to the brain, an apparent suicide, many will attest that he was not suicidal, others will tell you differently.  
 
 
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1230244889
 
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Indeed, some of the writers in Buzzsaw say that, before their own experiences, they were among the scoffers. Webb writes, "If we had met five years ago, you wouldn't have found a more staunch defender of the newspaper industry than me ... I was winning awards, getting raises, lecturing college classes, appearing on TV shows, and judging journalism contests. So how could I possibly agree with people like Noam Chomsky and Ben Bagdikian, who were claiming the system didn't work, that it was steered by powerful special interests and corporations, and existed to protect the power elite?"

But, like most of the contributors to "Into the Buzzsaw," he did his job too well and the powers that be hurled him onto the other side of the looking glass. "And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss had been," he writes. "The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job ... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress."

 
Gary Webb died for trying to expose this story. Instead of being supported, he was let down, and the end result is the same. If he had been supported, the truth come of come to light.  
 
I am not trying to discourage anyone, but you have to wake up, just a little bit.  
 
Here is a link to the series that Gary Webb wrote. The Dark Alliance.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/webb.html
 
 
There were protests in the streets when his story came out, for a moment he was a hero for the people, till they in traditional fashion turned on him. Well I should say he was not supported the way he should have been.  
 
The lawyer Anita Bell who took the case of these people, ended up being targeted, she almost died, and fled to Canada, she lost her refuge claim, fled with her family to Israel, and I don't know what happened to her after this.  
 
http://www.gangstalkingworld.com/Social/article.php?sid=69
 
 
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Anita E. Belle, a black female practicing law in Florida, alleged that COINTELPRO reared its ugly head against her after she filed cases on behalf of blacks and whites in seven states harmed due to the Central Intelligence Agency or CIAs role in importing illegal drugs into black communities. She alleged that at least one reputed CIA agent admitted the agency conspired with organized crime to use illegal drugs as a means of pharmaceutically enslaving African-Americans. In early 2000, five of her seven cases were consolidated as the Nicaraguan Contras Narcotics Trafficking Litigation, MDL 1331, in the federal court in Gainesville, Florida.


Belle claims that the cases became so sabotaged that she and her family were forced to flee Florida in fear of their lives. She first moved to North Carolina, but left there after witnesses in the CIA cases were threatened. She then returned to her hometown of Detroit, Michigan.


Belle recalled the Iran-Contra scandal that plagued the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. During the 2000 Florida election debacle, Belle made a Freedom of Information (FOIA) request to the FBI for the criminal records of the former president and his sons, Florida governor Jeb Bush and presidential candidate/Texas governor George W. Bush. The FBI denied her FOIA request on privacy grounds. Belle then sued the FBI, arguing that the federal criminal records of public officials should not be protected by privacy, else Americans may unwittingly elect organized crimelords who will undermine the integrity of the government. Meanwhile, Belle claims the retaliation against her and her family continued in Detroit to such an extent that she added COINTELPRO allegations to her case against the FBI.


Belle alleged the Florida Bar was a co-conspirator with the FBI in the agencys COINTELPRO activities, accusing the Florida Bar of disbarring her so as to discredit her and halt her suits against the federal government. She alleged that the Florida Bars investigator on her disbarment case, Bill Freeh, was a retired FBI agent and a close relative of Louis Freeh, the director of the FBI at that time.

 
Most traces of her and references of her that I could find, I am no longer able to find or locate on the Internet.  
 
Next senator DeCamp, he tried to help uncover the fact that young boys were being used for sex, and to help transport drugs. The victims were bulled, jailed, suicides, etc. The case was delayed, and finally one low level drug dealer was convicted. The rest, the accused, all powerful, all rich, they advanced in their careers. The victims suffered, and the perpetrators advanced. The lesson is, this was all done to protect the system. But then Senator Decamp asks himself, when do we know if the system itself has become corrupt? I think the true targets in the Targeted Individual community should know this answer, and if you don't, you should look into it.  
 
 
http://gangstalkingworld.com/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1205712268
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/franklincoverupexcerpt.shtml  
 
 
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Now I think I do understand the Franklin case. I know, now, that all the public officials involved in Franklin-whether they ever heard of Billy Budd or not-fully understood what they were doing.

And what they all have done, and will continue to do in this case, Franklin, and no doubt many others like it, is this: Protect the "system" at all costs. The "system" is the only ultimate sacred cow-not any particular law or constitution, but only "the system." Because, ultimately, it is the system which makes certain that the individuals functioning within it - from judges to lawyers, to prosecutors, to politicians, to businessmen - have their places and positions, and opportunities and pecking order, and future.

And, though it is unfortunate, that on occasion the protection of the "system" requires the deliberate sacrifice of perfectly innocent people, that is hoped overall to be the exception rather than the rule. But without the "system" . .

But then I have one final, nagging question. How do I know when, or if, the "system" itself has become so corrupted, that evil is the rule, rather than the exception? And when that occurs, what do I do about it? But I think I know the answer to that one - my oId commanding officer in Vietnam told me what I had to do. I made some promises to Bill, and I intend to keep them.

John DeCamp

 
 
 
Also one of the whistle blowers for this, she is a targeted individual, her video is on YouTube. Here is here website.  
http://www.oneagleswingsfearnoevil.com/  
 
So you see all the people who tried to expose this, and the victims, one set of circumstances, and the rest another.  
 
Then we have priest who are molesting kids, a lot of those early victims who exposed it did not fair well, others who tried to expose things along this line, also did not fair well.  
http://www.projecttruth2.com/  
http://www.theinquiry.ca/  
 
The system at all levels protects the corrupted, those committing the crimes, and the good suffer, and we often suffer, because those who could help sit back and do nothing.  
 
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing"
-Albert Einstein.
 
It's always the same, and unless it's addressed at this level nothing will change, and even if tomorrow someone took it upon themselves to do a real story about Gang Stalking, about what is happening, we would probably, get the same sick results. You might get the shock and awe, and a few fake targets, maybe even a few real targets on shows and radio, but then it would go back to being a none issue. As some of you can see, there is an effort to make this look like it's not systemic, like it's not being done at a governmental level, and efforts to keep you misinformed, and to make sure the true nature of this does not get exposed.  
 
This has to be fought at the correct level, and the systemic issues must be addressed.  
 
I can only put the information out there, and much like that picture at the begining of this post, people are going to see what they are going to see, and interpret things the way they want to interpret things. Some will see nothing, some will see part of the truth, some will see all of the truth. I can only put out the information, people have to figure out the rest for themselves.
 
Ephesians 6:12 “We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”  
 
6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.  
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The Mason question. Someone emailed me to ask if I think Masons are taking part? I have always said that most groups in society are taking part. To be honest I have not met any amish people, but considering the kids go on what's called Rumspringa and then go back to the community, some get caught for drugs and other offenses while on this right of passage, there is no reason for me to not think that the amish have their own snitches in those communities.

So again in my experience from what I have seen, read, researched, just about every group that I can think of or know of takes part in this, some more than others.

Should we keep fighting? Someone else asked me this, are you kidding me, ofcourse we should keep fighting, but do it realistically.

I see people out trying to get stalking laws changed, people who don't aknowledge that the government is going this, and I think get the stalking laws will get changed, and we will still be under surveillance, since this is not about normal stalking, the informants will most likely be exempt from this, unless it's addresed in a realistic manner.

I also think those who refuse to point fingers at the state are not doing us any good. I know most people start to hyperventilate at the thought of accusing the state of doing these horrible crimes, because most in society have a parent like relationship with the state, but if we don't fight this in a realistic manner how can we win?

All I meant is you have to know the scope of what you are up against, you have to know the history or some of the history, and you have to understand what has gone before. Other than that, I personally do not believe there is a chance of winning.

Many would rather blame vigilantees and go looking for other boogeymen. Some would rather blame scientologists, Masons, bikers, Mafia, Gangs, Religious groups, etc. They focus in on one aspect and ignore the rest.

The is a joined system of corruption, and it goes past the U.S. or Canada, or the UK. There is a real agenda and scope to what is happening, and that is the truth. I believe to be effective, we have to have the truth, and so that's all that I was trying to say.

Please remember that there are those in the 9/11 community, UFO, Drug running, Pedophelia rings etc communities that are also seeing systemic patterns and cover up's. We can all cover our eyes and pretend it's coming from different areas, but it's the same source at the end of the day, with different tentacles. I have used the octopus example before. We are seeing the tail of a bigger monster and it must be addressed as such. That is all that I was trying to say.
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Reply #5 - Apr 26th, 2009, 2:21pm
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/may/25/claims-of-911-conspiracy-have- suspect-running/
 
Claims of 9/11 conspiracy have suspect running scared
Former Denverite says 9/11 work has made him a target
 
May 25, 2007  
 
A former Federal Emergency Management Agency videographer accused of killing his wife in Denver is seeking political asylum in Argentina, claiming the U.S. government wants him silenced for what he saw in the smoldering ruins of the Twin Towers after 9/11.  
 
Kurt Sonnenfeld's efforts to avoid extradition have gained interest from human rights organizations in South America and broad attention from conspiracy theorists on the Internet.
 
Sonnenfeld, 44, is charged with first-degree murder in the New Year's Day 2002 shooting death of his 36-year-old wife, Nancy, at the couple's home in Congress Park.
 
The case caused a sensation at the time, with friends describing Nancy as among the city's "beautiful people" and the two as "madly in love."
 
The charges against Sonnenfeld were dismissed just before trial in June 2002 after a note written by Nancy Sonnenfeld was found that supported Kurt Sonnenfeld's contention that she took her own life.
 
New charges were filed in 2004, however, after two Denver jail inmates came forward to say Sonnenfeld had confessed to them during his time in custody. By then, Sonnenfeld had remarried and was living in Argentina.
 
He has been fighting extradition ever since, describing the warrants against him as "a false pretext for other darker motives."
 
That drew a sharp rebuke Tuesday from Chief Denver District Attorney Michelle Amico.
 
"I have heard that nonsense from him . . . but then he has nothing to back it up," she said.
 
An Argentine judge refused to extradite Sonnenfeld in 2005 because of concerns that he could face the death penalty.
 
The U.S. Department of Justice appealed that decision, assuring the court that no death sentence would be sought, Amico said. The Justice Department has since been notified that the extradition is on hold while an asylum request is pending, a process that could take months or even years.
 
In a series of recent e-mails to the Rocky Mountain News, Sonnenfeld said Argentina's highest court had rejected the appeal and had sent his case back to the presiding judge for ratification.
 
Sonnenfeld did not bring up 9/11 when the initial murder case was pending against him or during a lengthy interview with the Rocky on the day he was released from jail.
 
He also declined to specifically discuss the World Trade Center in a 12-page, single-spaced document he sent to the newspaper in late-night e-mail sessions Sunday and Monday.
 
"You are asking me to antagonize the very people who, for whatever reason, desperately want me destroyed," Sonnenfeld wrote. "Frankly, I am afraid for the safety of my family. Please don't ask me about what information I have. This is not really the time or the forum."
 
As always, he maintained his innocence in his wife's death.
 
"I love Nancy. Nancy's death was tragic, heartbreaking and affected many people. But it is clear to everyone who knows the truth that she committed suicide. It was not a homicide," he wrote.
 
Sonnenfeld blasted accounts of his alleged jailhouse confession as "absurd." Nancy Sonnenfeld's family, meanwhile, is firmly convinced of his guilt.
 
A new life
 
Sonnenfeld now lives in Buenos Aires with his wife, Paula, and twin 18-month-old daughters. He continues to work as a videographer for Argentine media.
 
He said he and his family were followed, threatened and photographed before and after his arrest in Argentina in 2004 on the new Denver charges.
 
"This led us to conclude I was being extradited under false pretexts," he wrote.
 
Although he wouldn't discuss specifics with the Rocky, Sonnenfeld is quoted by the Argentine newspaper el Pais as saying, "I realized that they were after something else: the tapes of Ground Zero in my possession."
 
Sonnenfeld said he was arrested by Interpol agents on the new Denver charges a week after delivering a demo video of 9/11 footage to a TV producer in Argentina.
 
"I find that extremely coincidental," he said.
 
After his arrest, Sonnenfeld spent seven months in Buenos Aires' Devoto prison, which Time magazine once described as the "darkest penal hellhole in all Argentina."
 
While imprisoned, Sonnenfeld said an unidentified man phoned his wife and said "leave things the way they are and you can still have a life."
 
Sonnenfeld said he hid copies of his 9/11 videotapes in boxes and furniture he shipped to Argentina when he moved there. But he said the footage he offered to the media was in the public domain.
 
'Terrible conclusion'
 
In other interviews with Argentine media, Sonnenfeld is quoted as saying, "What I saw (at 9/11) leads me to the terrible conclusion that there was foreknowledge of what was going to happen — the precautions that were taken to save certain things that the authorities there considered irreplaceable or invaluable.
 
"For example, certain things were missing that could only have been removed with a truck. Yet after the first plane hit one of the towers, everything in Manhattan collapsed and no one could have gotten near the towers to do that."
 
Sonnenfeld is quoted as saying documentation was removed from U.S. intelligence agencies in the World Trade Center, including the CIA, prior to the attacks. He did not specify how he could have known that.
 
Sonnenfeld's allegations have made him a poster child for conspiracy theorists on the Internet, and a number of Web sites use him to bolster their contentions of government involvement in or knowledge about the attacks.
 
But Jim Chesnutt, fellow -FEMA videographer and a former FEMA spokesman, said he saw no such conspiracy evidence.
 
"I did not see any darning evidence that would support what he says he saw," said Chesnutt, who was at the World Trade Center with Sonnenfeld after 9/11.
 
"At the same time, I do respect Kurt's position on that," Chesnutt said. "I didn't see anything that led me to those conclusions, but I don't know what he saw.
 
"We each had free rein to travel throughout the site with the rescuers. We each had different experiences because of the massiveness of the site. We worked independently, and we rarely traveled together."
 
'I am innocent'
 
In the e-mail interview, Sonnenfeld denied that he is seeking political asylum to avoid being brought back for trial.
 
"I waited for a trial in 2002," he said. "I had the truth on my side, and I knew it would finally come out in the courtroom when the people fabricating the case against me were forced to tell the truth under threat of perjury."
 
Responded Amico: "I would be more than happy to give him the opportunity to make his case in a district court here in Denver."
 
"I am innocent," Sonnenfeld wrote to the Rocky. "The police know it; the prosecution knows it. This intense campaign to return me to American soil is a false pretext for other darker motives."
 
His appeals to Argentine authorities have drawn the interest of human rights groups, including Amnesty International Argentina and the country's Nobel Peace Prize laureate, Adolfo Pérez Esquivel.
 
Chesnutt, Sonnenfeld's former FEMA colleague, said he doesn't know what to make of the last few years of Sonnenfeld's life.
 
"He was a friend of mine. I had great respect for him as a colleague," Chesnutt said. "What happened in the last few years with him, the year leading up to Nancy's death, is a huge question mark in my mind.
 
"I don't know what happened. And I made no decision about it. I guess now it's largely between Kurt and God about what has gone on."
 
What conspiracy blogs are saying about Sonnenfeld
 
conspiracyplanet.com
 
• The saga of Kurt Sonnenfeld appears to be but one more detail in the sordid tale that has been the US government's continuing attempts to distort and cover up the massive and growing evidence that the 9/11 attacks were undeniably the work of elements of the US government itself.
 
signs-of-the-times.org
 
• It is also reasonable to suggest that he is (or was on 9/11) an employee of one of the intelligence agencies involved in the perpetration of the attacks.
 
portlandindymedia.org
 
• Some very strange activity, I think. It's like they're chasing him around the globe, using his wife's suicide (?) as their excuse. What do you suppose they're after?
 
• Kurt and his partner Jim had a very strange 'MO,' which involved surveilance [sic] ... I am fully convinced that Kurt Sonnenfeld was/is an FBI agent! Mary's [sic] murder is definately [sic] connected to 9/11. I will continue to research this.
 
• They had NO PROOF because they know he didn't do it, but they were just trying to use what they could to lock him up and keep him quiet.
 
IN HIS OWN WORDS: KURT SONNENFELD
 
• As soon as I returned home (to Denver) after the charge was dismissed and I was released from jail, I began to be harassed constantly. Cars often followed me wherever I drove. Men parked in front of my house for hours. I discovered doors to my house unlocked. Even my outdoor security lights were unscrewed.
 
• (After he married his second wife, Paula) we intended to return to the U.S. But after months of bureaucratic pitfalls foiling our attempts at obtaining a permanent visa for Paula, we decided to stay awhile. Paula did not particularly want to go to the U.S., and I had lost everything there anyway.
 
• In late July of 2004, Paula and I delivered a short sample video (from ground zero) to the producers of a very popular television show.
 
Within days, an "unrestricted" arrest order, accompanied by the extradition request, was delivered to Argentine authorities by the United States embassy.
 
I had no idea that the dismissed case against me had been refiled and the nightmare had been inexplicably revived.
 
• In March of 2005, after spending seven more months in prison in Argentina, the extradition request was refused and I was again released from prison.
 
The campaign to intimidate and harass me and my family has increased significantly since then. I have been tortured, falsely accused and imprisoned, not once but two times, bankrupted, my reputation destroyed by their lies.
 
My wife, my precious babies and I live as virtual prisoners inside our house because we are afraid for our lives.

 
And it continues even now.
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Reply #6 - Apr 26th, 2009, 2:33pm
 
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The above article is one of a few to show that this sort of harassment does not happen to just people in the targeted individual community.

When I went to in2worlds.net I read the book on that site and I realise that people researching UFO truth get a similar if not the exact same type of harassment. They were even electronically harassed, but she did not have a name for it. However after reading all the symptoms what was happening to her was Gang Stalking.

I have come across others.

-UFO truth (Or whatever it's called.)
-9/11 truth.
-People investigating pedophelia rings.
-Government link to drugs
-Anti War people in some cases
-The Buzzsaw (Journalists)


The harassment has many similarities. It's just most people do not tie together that we are looking at a systemic structure. The disinfo used is the same. The lies very similar. The wild goose chases, the bs to keep you from the truth. They use the same tactics across the board to keep all these researchers, activists in line. It's just different degrees are used, and many people have different names.

Eg. Anita E. Bell described her harassment as Cointelpro, but when you read about what was happening, this is what she most likely was refering to. She was the lawyer who tried to take the CIA, FBI to court for drugs in ethnic communities.

The stories are out there, and when you look them all over, you see a pattern of systemic harassment, with governmental interferance. Cover Up's, the same, and each interprets it in different ways.

Lauren Moret when she talked about her Mobbing when she blew the whistle on Depleted Uranium, used that term, but her description is what we call Gang Stalking. The efforts to silence her ewere the same or very similar.

So it's just really important to start to be aware of this and stop looking at just one little tiny aspect and see the bigger picture of how this is being used, and what this means. Cause if you don't fight it at the right level, how can you win? Or even begin to have any success, with exposing this stuff?
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Reply #7 - Apr 26th, 2009, 3:32pm
 
This info was foind on the multi stalker site. A part of the document is used here to ilistrate the connection to mobbing as Lauren Moret called it, and what we call it.
 
As I approached the gate with my office belongings piled in my car, I felt an incredible lightness of being. I dropped off my badge and beeper and got back in my car, laughing and thinking, “You just got out of jail!” Little did I know what was ahead. The next 10 years were the darkest of my life and I am lucky to be alive today. My great-est gift was the discovery of my inner strength to be able to survive the retaliation, mobbing and harassment by the Livermore Lab, the University of California and the Oakland police department. Prophetically, an acquaintance coolly said to me a year after I left the lab, “You are in a police net you will never get out of … for the rest of your life.” She was right, but I no longer care because now I am not afraid.  
 
We are controlled by our fears until we have none left, and that happens when there is nothing left to lose. The journey to that realization took 12 years of pain, a sense of loss and humiliation, a feeling of abandonment and the lifelong emptiness and absence of being loved—not by any-one, not at any time. The experience and purpose of being mobbed, and what I did not knowin the isolation of the experience, is that I was not alone.“Mobbing” is the purposeful and strategic institutional gathering of all information about an individual by using any method—legal or illegal. Contact for this purpose is made with neighbors, classmates, former partners, family members, former employers, teachers, church members, good friends and even your family tree … everything must be known about the support system around you that makes your life possible. The assessment of strategic resources and future income (finances, mobility, cars, insur-ance, credit cards, bank safety deposit boxes, post office boxes, wills, health records, birth  
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Uncovering the Truth About Depleted Uranium49certificates, transcripts and photographs) is made without your knowledge. The purpose ofmobbing is to drive the target individual out of the job force for the rest of their life; the big-ger goal is to drive them to the ultimate self-destruction: suicide. There are now laws made by European unions to prevent this cancer on society and productivity, but it is practically unknown in the U.S.The University of California, which had contributed so much to the State of California and to the global community through the benefits of education, had become a pathologi-cally dysfunctional institution through its mobbing practices.  
 
I learned that more than 500 women and minorities had filed lawsuits against the University of California and had then experienced retaliation by the University of California apparatus of mobbing by employees, alumni and law enforcement.1The lawsuits were for denial of tenure, whistleblower retaliation and theft of intel-lectual property. These women had similar complaints about the destruction of their own lives and careers. The information gathered by the University of California is used to takeyour life apart; to destroy all that makes you feel safe; to bankrupt, isolate and alienate you from society and from yourself; and to attempt to make you look crazy.  
 
Your children are harassed, they come home with belongings missing and stories of teachers harassing them and a weirdness takes over your lives. Slowly, documents disappeared from my house; porncharges appeared on my credit card; files, my purse and my keys disappeared; mail was lost. I was forced to carry my documents with me at all times. All of my university transcripts and diplomas have been stolen from my house.Two things kept me going and kept me alive. First, the warrior mother spirit guided me to protect Zephyr. That miracle of life taught me what it means to love unconditionally and completely. I began to learn to love myself. Second, my uncle had told me long ago, “No one can destroy you. Only you can destroy yourself.”  
 
That information made me fight back. As I fought back, I got stronger, deeper into myself, and slowly left the external validations, which others control, behind and relied more and more on internal validations, which I controlled.The process during those dark years was horrifying and terrifying; it took me to the edge of my emotions of fear, abandonment, alienation and isolation. In the end, I made the choice to not abandon myself. I knew that those were only feelings and that I could changethem or choose different ones, which made me strong and ultimately free. Zephyr is strongand independent from her experience by my side. Perhaps she learned even more than I did.
 
And let it direct your passion with reason,that your passion may live through its own daily resurrection,and like the phoenix rise above its own ashes.—Khalil Gibran
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